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By: @garycarpenter

@garycarpenter — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:28:11 +0000

I play drums, grew up in church, and have changed my opinion on this more than once. I would have no problem with using a secular song to illustrate a sermon topic, but I couldn't see using it as part of the worship portion of the service.. Worship is to be upward looking, about God to God, and exalting him above all else. It's not for us or meant to instruct us (although it probably does both to some extent) it's about us worshiping him. Anything that puts a light on ourselves by definition is not worship, at least not worshiping Him.

By: @ktackel

@ktackel — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:50:00 +0000

Thanks, the message does not change but the culture does and we need to relate to a changing generation without changing or watering down the message.

By: RickAGriffith

RickAGriffith — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:50:36 +0000

I really liked this post and can say that I completely agree with you. I feel like there are many people who want to have a strict old fashion church. Maybe its wrong, but i relate this to business. Those who don;t adapt to changing times fail to realize that the world is evolving over time. If one is completely against the idea your describing then should we also not eat red meat this Friday? I understand that some people want the feeling of going to a church that makes them feel a certain way and that's fine they will always be out there. But for newer churches that are evolving and still spreading a great message to people in need and relating to them in a way that they more fully comprehend, keep up the good work and god bless.

By: @ktackel

@ktackel — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:17:11 +0000

Yep, I went through a period of time where I only listened to "Christian" music, I don't think it was bad per say to do that for a period of time but realized especially after working with High School kids how out of the loop I got. So I started to open back up to it so I knew how to relate better.

Also with playing guitar, I felt a lot of bands I grew up listening to were part of what influenced my style which I am now using for worship so to totally turn that off I felt was not really the right thing to do either.

So again, that balance is crucial. I don't listen to everything I used to but I am not blocking it out like I did for a period of time either. In the world not of the world, it is a balancing act!

By: @dwfaust

@dwfaust — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:39:41 +0000

When I got saved back in the ’70s, my pastor preached against the music and culture of the world… “come out and be ye separate…” was one of his favorite verses. Looking back, I understand that he meant well, but now I think he was a bit extreme. I agree that we need to be different from the world – we do need to be sacred vessels, consecrated for the Master’s use – but we also need to be able to relate to the world. Otherwise how could we ever hope to reach them? Jesus uses parables and occasions of every day life to reach the people that He ministered to – the woman at the well, the Centurian, Niccodemus, etc.

We need to guard ourselves to not fall prey to the traps of the enemy with regard to worldly music and entertainment, but at the same time, I agree that we can use some of that to make a connection with someone who is still in the world, we should “go for it”. Prayerful consideration must be given, however, and we need to allow the Holy Spirit to lead us.

Thanks for sharing!

By: @ktackel

@ktackel — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:06:40 +0000

Thank you! Its funny, as I read scripture, thought and prayed through it, and wrote the post, I did almost argue with myself at times trying to see both sides to biblically find where that balance is. lol

Thanks again for your comments!

By: Randy Kinnick

Randy Kinnick — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:17:35 +0000

Awesome thoughts. I appreciate your thoughtful "struggle" through this issue and agree that we must make it clear that the gospel is relevant to our culture. You have made a very good point using Paul's example and I believe we are more likely to "hook" the attention of those we're trying to reach if we use something to which they can relate. I appreciate your prayerful and purposeful approach to the subject as well. God's blessings to you as you continue to serve Him and His Kingdom!

By: @ktackel

@ktackel — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:33:22 +0000

I think there is a line, there are some that try so hard to reach people that the message is watered down, they are too afraid to confuse people by music and language and in essence end up not having a message. More of a speech on hope that you can get from almost any speaker. This is not a black and white thing though, that line can move some based on various things like location & demographics I would think.

In the end I want to hear God say well done and know that where ever I was involved I balanced using a secular reference, if it helps, without forgetting to also tell about Jesus in an obvious way.